Online GTD Applications: The Rest of the Story

August 15th, 2007 | by GTD Wannabe |

A while ago, I started a series evaluating online GTD applications. It got a little overwhelming, so I decided to cut way back.

What I’m going to talk about today is most of the rest of the online apps that I looked at, but ultimately didn’t choose to use. You can read my reviews of other online GTD-friendly apps that I’ve tried out too:

I’m going to save the best for last (i.e., another post), but here are some other apps that I spent some time looking at.

Vitalist

I reviewed Vitalist at the beginning of this year. At the time, my impression was that it could be a very good GTD contender. It has a few quirks that made it not the right app for me, but there have been modifications since then. For instance, the issue with tickler/someday has been resolved. It’s very easy to enter tasks. Easy to filter on various dimensions. There is a search functionality, but it works only on completed actions. It’s got a very nice, clean look, and has many bells and whistles. There’s a free version that is ad-supported, but otherwise not too crippled.

There is now only one reason that I myself wouldn’t use this application. First, there is no concept of a start date, which means I would keep seeing the same actions over and over again that I couldn’t yet deal with. It’s just the way I work my system. Other than that, I like this application, and recommend it for you to try out.

iCommit

iCommit is a “php online implementation” of GTD. It’s got a clean look, but I didn’t find the interface extremely intuitive. For instance, I had a really hard time adding a new context. It turns out that one of the headings on a particular page was a hyperlink that lets you add a new context. The only way I figured this out was by just randomly moving my mouse around.

On the other hand, iCommit has lots of bells and whistles, including search! (One of the few apps I found that does search - amazing.) It doesn’t really support dates the way I like (e.g., there’s a reminder date, which I could use as a start date, but no due date), but if dates aren’t your thing, you may find the feature set perfect. But it just wasn’t the one for me. If you want another opinion, check out Merlin Mann’s review over at 43 Folders.

Neptune

Neptune has a very GMail feel to it, as you can see by the screenshot above. Here’s another app that I found difficult to use, as it wasn’t intuitive (and the help was very bare). To make use of it, you basically have to do the following:

  1. Add a new next action to your “Inbox”. Add as many as you like; it’s very quick - just one text field.
  2. After your NAs have been entered, you process them, one at a time. You can’t skip any. An NA goes into either a project, or Reminders, Waiting For, Someday, or Trash.
  3. Then you have to find each NA again (through your projects) in order to assign a context.

It sounds awkward, and it was. I’m interested in a much more streamlined process. For example, I tend to combine the Capture, Process, and Organize steps into one for many of the next actions that come up during my day.

TaskToy

TaskToy is an interesting app. It allows for a great amount of detail, especially with respect to your views - e.g., active dates, colour customizations of projects/NAs. It’s also got excellent options for recurring actions - some of the most wide-ranging options for recurrence that I’ve seen.

I didn’t really like the look, but it is free, and does offer a lot of dimensions for your next actions. I would recommend you give it a spin.

Mojonote

Mojonote is basically a glorified list maker. You can have lots of lists, but there’s no concept of context or project. So, if you want to have a next action associated with a context, you would create a list for that context, and then add the next action to that list. This would be a good way to move online for people that are using something like the HPDA, or other list-based systems. But given that we’re talking software here, I expect a lot more functionality.

SimpleGTD

SimpleGTD is another application that offers a nice clean look. It’s faithful to GTD in that each next action can have a project and a context. The list of next actions (seen above) is organized by context. For each NA, you can see what project it’s associated with. In addition, the context and projects lists are useful. Plus, you can see “staleness”, i.e., how old your next actions are. Unfortunately, there are no dates at all, and no search. However, if you don’t need these things, I would recommend trying out this app.

Todoist

Todoist offers slightly more functionality than MojoNote, in that each next action can have a project. But there are no contexts. Of course, you could use the project field for contexts, but then you’d have to projects. Again, it’s a pretty app, but it’s not quite acceptable for GTD. The key piece of information about a next action (or task, really) is the due date. Although I do use due dates for some of my NAs, that’s not the only criteria for me. I found that there were just too few dimensions available for describing my data.

Toodledo

I came very, very close to using Toodledo as my GTD system. In fact, I actually spent a couple of hours bringing all of my next actions in, and used it for a couple of weeks.

Essentially, it has just about all of the functionality that I was looking for. The look is pretty good. It’s got a good search. Excellent support for deferred start dates, due dates, easy ability to add notes, etc. There’s also a pro version that adds in such features as a scheduler, goals, and statistics. (The scheduler seemed interesting, because it could be used to pick some NAs that you could be working on right now, given your context and how much time you’ve got available.)

Another thing I really liked about it was that there’s a FireFox extension for Toodledo, which lets you see your hotlist (most important/soonest due NAs) in your sidebar. I thought that was the coolest feature. Plus, you can integrate Toodledo with your Google Calendar.

I decided to stop using Toodledo simply because I found the web interface just a bit too busy for me. You can keep a lot of information about each next actions, but I really don’t need to see it all at once. Or maybe I just didn’t like the huge, wide list. I also had some difficulties with hiding deferred items. It’s great that you can put a deferred start date on something, but that means I really don’t want to see it at all until then. At the time, there was no way to tweak the fact that only things further away than six months were hidden. Perhaps that’s been fixed by now.

Anyway, even though this one was just not the one for me, I heartily recommend trying it out. The additional functionality (sidebar, Google Calendar) may be just what you’re looking for.

Scrybe

Scrybe is one of those perpetual beta apps. I got an invite last year, and I remember using Scrybe as my GTD system for a couple of weeks.

It’s more of a calendar than a pure GTD system, but I liked the idea of keeping my hard landscape and my next actions in the same application. Scrybe does the calendar thing pretty well. Almost too well, since most of the screen real estate is given to the calendar. So, you get maybe a quarter of the screen to focus on your lists.

When I was using it, I found that using the “Label” field for contexts worked much better than using the more intuitive “Requires” field. That’s because you can sort your lists easily by Label. It offered due dates and reminders, but no deferred start dates.

The major reason I stopped using Scrybe was that the developers were more “talk” than “walk”, if you know what I mean. After all, it’s 10 months later, and it’s still a beta. Plus, I was never able to get the whole “note” concept to work - I could type in notes associated with a next action item, but they never stuck. And, even though Scrybe was supposed to be able to synchronize so that you could use it offline, more often than not, I just lost data when I tried it out.

Bear in mind that Scrybe is more of a GTD-friendly app, than a pure GTD app. It really is aiming at the calendar side of things. Plus the concept of a ThoughtPad, which is a way of clipping a bunch of notes. You might find it a useful application, that could replace two or three other apps for you. For me though, although Scrybe always seemed promising, I think they might have promised more than they can deliver.

RememberTheMilk

RememberTheMilk is an app that I just never got into, even though it’s got a great look (who can resist a cute cow) and comes highly recommended. It’s got the ability to put due dates on items, as well as tags, which you can use as contexts. Personally, I found the navigation to be a bit awkward, but your mileage may vary. RTM has excellent integration with things like Google Calendar and your cell phone. It’s also got offline access, thanks to Google Gears. In addition, it’s got some interesting features, e.g., tying a task to a map location - could be very useful for people who travel a lot. Plus, you can hook into it with your Twitter account; I know you were all dying to be able to do that!

  1. 22 Responses to “Online GTD Applications: The Rest of the Story”

  2. By on Aug 16, 2007 | Reply

    A couple of updates you might be interested about:

    1. As of today, the free version of Vitalist is crippled to an extent that, as far as I’m concerned, makes it unusable: a maximum of 5 projects and contexts. I’ve made some use of it in the past few months, and felt it wasn’t perfect, but not bad. Sadly, it’s no longer a contender for me.

    2. Todoist does not have contexts (which it calls labels). Just put @foo in the task description, and it is labelled as “foo”. The “foo can be clicked on at any point in the interface to see a list of all “foo” tasks from any project. Very neat and a big improvement IMO.

    3. Just a note to say that I agree with you totally on RTM. I so want to love this system, but just find it cumbersome in everyday use. Occasionally I go back to it to see if I was mistaken about it in some way, but no, I still find it odd.

  3. By on Aug 16, 2007 | Reply

    @neal: Thanks for the updates - that’s great. Obviously, these apps can be moving targets, changing within weeks!

    I particu\arly like the new capability of Todoist to read @contexts from the task description. I went back to my account, and after editing a couple of tasks, the contexts showed up. I have a habit of writing contexts in with the task list anyway - this is the way I like to work - and its amazing that Todoist can interpret it. Wow. Too bad they don’t have deferred start dates :(

  4. By on Aug 17, 2007 | Reply

    As Neal mentions, Vitalist just changed, so I’m also looking for a new solution. Similar to your post, I came very close to using Toodledo, but the same (and a few more) issues threw me off.

    When will you post with your tool of choice? Can’t wait! :)

  5. By GTD Wannabe on Aug 19, 2007 | Reply

    I received this comment over at Blogger:

    Bdizzy has left a new comment on your post “Online GTD Applications: The Rest of the Story”:

    So indeed I was wrong. Now I’m mystified as to what it could be as all the big players have been wiped out. Although, I don’t feel too bad because evidently you tried Todoist a while ago when he took off the contexts. I have confidence in this app though. I have confidence it can compete with anyone! Muhahaha. Although, sometimes I don’t have confidence that my life is one some stranger’s server and can be suspended or “down” at any time….maybe the Merlin hipster pda is the only solution….this is never going to end…

  6. By GTD Wannabe on Aug 19, 2007 | Reply

    And now I reply:

    @Bdizzy. There’s another player out there. Bwahahaahah. I’ll write it up soon, I promise. I just got distracted by moving the blog! ;)

    I hear you about the whole data-sitting-on-somebody-else’s-machine thing though. It’s kind of scary. Like tonight, when I went to log into Gmail, and it was down. Gasp! I have a bit of a solution about that too, but it’s not perfect. Nothing ever is, I guess.

  7. By Mikey on Aug 20, 2007 | Reply

    Just my opinion but I disagree with you on Remember the Milk. I have been using it and do love it with all of the little quirks.

    At work, I am forced to use Outlook and windoze - at home I am as happy as the little cow with Ubuntu. As an on line function I can access it anywhere.

    By setting dates for everything and setting up a smart list, I get a list of just what I need to focus on today and an email in my gmail inbox with the same info.

    As for data capture, I can do it from my Blackberry on the fly.

  8. By GTD Wannabe on Aug 20, 2007 | Reply

    @Mikey: I’ve heard great things about RTM. Unfortunately, I just couldn’t get into it. I do like how well connected it is with everything else though, e.g., Google Calendar, Twitter, etc.

  9. By Rue on Aug 28, 2007 | Reply

    SO??? When do we get the final ultimate answer????

  10. By nathan on Aug 29, 2007 | Reply

    Hi there,

    i have been trying NeptuneHQ which i like, and is extremely simple. Probably too simple. When the trial ended, i switched over to Toodledo, to give it a spin. Toodledo is awesome, but way too much for me. The start-page is just too cluttered, and i don’t like the priorities thing. I would prefer simple sorted lists, where the top item is the next action (like in NeptuneHq).

    But i hope you are going to reveal your ultimate solution soon *hint-hint* :)

  11. By GTD Wannabe on Aug 30, 2007 | Reply

    I know you’re all anxious to hear about my final choice.

    But I can’t post about it until I actually get some research done! Soon, my young padawans, soon.

  12. By kelly w. on Sep 24, 2007 | Reply

    Hello,

    thanks for the keen post. I heard about most of the applications, but didn’t have a chance to try all of them. I also found a very neat gtd application outside your blog. It has task start and due date, duration, quick search. It gives a good visibility of task context, allows tagging and building hierarchies. Actually, it’s more than a gtd tool, but I find it very convenient for applying David Allen’s method. Would be great to hear your opinion about Wrike: http://www.wrike.com/blog/7/10/2007/Wrike_helps_you_get_things_done

  13. By John on Nov 7, 2007 | Reply

    I’m wondering why tracks.tra.in is left out of all these lists?

    It’s free tracks hosting, which, is a specific implementation of the GTD system online.

    It’s the cleanest of all the systems and the fastest to add new actions.

  14. By GTD Wannabe on Nov 10, 2007 | Reply

    @John: It’s not being “left out” of my list. This post was just about “other” online tools that I decided against. I have an entire post devoted to Tracks with Ruby on Rails. My personal favourite was GTD Tracks, but I did discuss tracks.tra.in. too. See http://gtdwannabe.com/2007/08/drumroll-please-babys-got-a-new-gtd-application/

  15. By Hailey Hinson on Dec 2, 2007 | Reply

    I have a question. You say that Toodledo has good support for a deferred start date, which I have to had, but I can’t seem to find it. They don’t have a start date catagory that I could find. How do you do deferred start dates in toodledo?
    Thanks!
    hailey

  16. By GTD Wannabe on Dec 3, 2007 | Reply

    @Hailey: Over on the Toodledo application, go to the help screen. Then look for the help about “due dates”. Counter-intuitive, I know.

    If you read through, and follow a link, you’ll end up with a page that says this:


    Sometimes a task can only be completed on a specific due date (like a dentist appointment) and being reminded about it ahead of time is unnecessary. You can fix this by putting an = sign before the date. For example “=2008-01-01″. This signifies that this task can only be completed on Jan 1, 2008 and that we shouldn’t worry about it until then.

    Sometimes a task cannot be completed until after a specific duedate. You can place a “>” sign before the date to tell Toodledo the earliest date that this task can be completed. For example “>2008-01-01″ means that this task cannot be completed until Jan 1, 2008 has passed. Toodledo will know not to bug you about this task until the specified date arrives.”

  17. By Dan Gtdagenda on Apr 22, 2008 | Reply

    For implementing GTD you might try out this new web-based application:

    http://www.gtdagenda.com

    You can use it to manage your goals, projects and tasks, set next actions and contexts, use checklists, schedules and a calendar.

    Hope you like it.

  18. By Vio on Jun 29, 2008 | Reply

    You might want to give a try to http://www.taskwriter.com :)

  1. 5 Trackback(s)

  2. Aug 20, 2007: Vitalist Jacks Their Prices » GearFire
  3. Aug 27, 2007: Which Online GTD App Is Right For You? - lifehack.org
  4. Aug 27, 2007: LifeParticles.com » Which Online GTD App Is Right For You?
  5. Aug 29, 2007: Weblog of Quests » GTD redux
  6. Sep 2, 2007: Kolz Blog » Blog Archive » Which Online GTD App Is Right For You?

Post a Comment